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Fiji Flag Debate: Should we welcome the ripping up of British symbols in the Fijian flag to PUNISH the British for standing aside and allowing the Bainimarama/Khaiyum dictatorship to oppress us for eight long years?

4/2/2015

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PictureDelana - now FFP MP in Parliament; he might have to photoshop his winning glory with new Fijian flag
THE FLAG OF FIJI

The current flag of Fiji was adopted on 10 October 1970. The state arms have been slightly modified but the flag has remained the same as during the colonial period. It is a defaced sky-blue "Blue Ensign" (the actual Blue Ensign version of the flag is the Government ensign). It has remained unchanged since Fiji was declared a republic in 1987, despite calls from some politicians (such as Opposition Senator Atu Emberson-Bain) for changes.

   Design


Its bright blue background symbolizes the Pacific Ocean, which plays an important part in the lives of the islanders, both in terms of the fishing industry, and the huge tourist trade. The Union Jack reflects the country's links with the United Kingdom. The shield is derived from the country's official coat of arms, which was originally granted by Royal Warrant in 1908. It is a white shield with a red cross and a red chief (upper third of a shield). The images depicted on the shield represent agricultural activities on the islands, and the historical associations with the United Kingdom. At the top of the shield, a British lion holds a cocoa pod between its paws. The upper left is sugar cane, upper right is a coconut palm, the lower left a dove of peace, and the lower right a bunch of bananas.

The current flag is very similar to the colonial ensign used prior to independence, the main differences being the latter used a darker shade of blue and displayed the entire Fijian coat of arms as opposed to just the shield. While some reformists have called for the removal of the Union Flag, seeing it a British colonial emblem, others support its retention for the sake of historical continuity. The flags of three other independent countries (Australia, New Zealand, and Tuvalu) currently retain the Union Flag in their national flags.
Full Fijian Coat-of-Arms

Some influential Fijians have called for the restoration of the full coat of arms to the flag. On 30 November 2005, Fiji's Great Council of Chiefs called for the two warrior figures, who guard the shield on the coat of arms, to be placed on the flag, along with a miniature canoe and the national motto, Rerevaka na kalou ka doka na tui ("Fear God and honour the Queen") — symbols that were featured on the original flag of the Kingdom of Viti, the first unified Fijian state created under the leadership of Seru Epenisa Cakobau in 1871.

"The coat of arms is very significant because it has the word of God, then it has the two warriors and the Fijian canoe also. I think that the council members prefer that the full coat of arms be included in the Fiji flag," said Asesela Sadole, General Secretary of the Great Council of Chiefs.

Prior to ceding the country to British rule in 1874, the government of Fiji adopted a national flag featuring blue and white vertical stripes, with in the centre a red shield depicting a white dove.[1] This flag ceased to be used when the colonial era began and Fiji relinquished its independence. Fiji was a British colony from 1874 to 1970.

Proposal for a new flag


In his New Year's Day address in 2013, Prime Minister Commodore Frank Bainimarama announced that the flag would soon be changed so as "to reflect a sense of national renewal, to reinforce a new Fijian identity and a new confidence in being Fijian on the global stage". The change in the flag would accompany the adoption of a new Constitution, intended by Fiji's military leader (who came to power in a coup in December 2006) to establish a "one person, one vote", non-racial and secular democracy under military oversight. The country, a republic, had removed the Queen from its currency a few weeks earlier.

On 3 Febuary 2015, Prime Minister Voreqe Bainimarama said the flag of Fiji will be replaced. A national competition to design the new flag will be held, with the aim of hoisting it on 11 October 2015, the 45th anniversary of independence. Source:
Wikipedia

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An independent kingdom prior to becoming a British colony in 1874, Fiji briefly used a national flag of white and blue vertical stripes with a red central shield bearing a white dove. That symbol was derived from the flags of Christian missionaries who had visited the area. Under British rule the usual flags were introduced—the Union Jack for government buildings, the British Red Ensign for private vessels, and the British Blue Ensign for government vessels. The local badge of the colony was put at the centre of the fly end of the Blue Ensign to distinguish it from similar flags used in other colonies. That badge was based on the Fiji coat of arms established in 1908. Its shield contained the red cross of St. George on a white background below another English symbol, a yellow lion on red. However, the lion held a cacao pod, and local symbols (sugarcane, coconuts, bananas, and the Fiji dove) were placed between the arms of the cross.

In anticipation of independence, Fiji held a competition to develop a national flag. Familiarity with the old design and close links with other Pacific countries (especially Australia and New Zealand) led to the selection of a modified version of the colonial flag. The only changes introduced when the nation became independent on October 10, 1970, were the substitution of light blue for dark in the field of the flag and the omission of the crest, motto, and supporters in the coat of arms, allowing the shield to be larger and more easily visible. No further changes were made during the period (1987–97) that Fiji was separated from the Commonwealth.

Whitney Smith, Director, Flag Research Center, Winchester, Massachusetts. Author of The Flag Book of the United States and Flags and Arms Across the World.

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STATEMENT [8/2/2015]

UNIFY OUR PEOPLE FIRST, FIX OUR BROKEN DEMOCRACY SECOND, GET SERIOUS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY THIRDLY, BEFORE WE THINK ABOUT A NEW FLAG THAT CAN REFLECT THESE POSITIVE CHANGES

 
The decision by the Prime Minster to change Fiji’s flag is the latest example of a Parliamentary dictatorship at work.


There has been no call from the people for our long established flag to be thrown on the national scrap heap. The Prime Minister himself says it is widely loved and admired.  Why then is he bent on getting rid of it? He is obviously unaware of the contradictions in his thinking.

This is just a continuation of the dictatorial decisions of the 8 year rule of the Khaiyum–Bainimarama Government. But now it operates under the guise of a ‘new democracy’.

This Khaiyum-Bainimarama democracy involves undemocratic decision making followed by attempts to create a semblance of inclusivity for an outcome that has already been decided.

The Chiefs and people of Fiji have a long and historic relationship with Great Britain and the British Crown which is reflected in our current flag. The majority of our people treasure these links with Great Britain and its monarchy. This is one of the reasons why the flag, in the words of the Prime Minister, is widely loved and admired.

There are also our very close ties through our former and current troops who are members of the British Army, our proud fighting history with the forces of Great British in times of conflict from the First World War to the present day. We are held in high regard internationally through these relationships that mean something to the majority of us.

Lest we forget, it was the British who introduced English to these Islands, is Prime Minster Bainimarama suggesting we also remove this link to our colonial past?

Important symbols like a national flag should only be changed if some momentous circumstances warrant it and after a wide national conversation leading to a referendum.

The tragic and disturbing reality is there for all to see when the Prime Minister calls for new symbols that ‘reflect our present state as a nation’.  If he had thought about this carefully, he would see that momentous events that have had the greatest impact on our country and its well being are military coups and their disastrous consequences. He knows a great deal about this.

So what symbols for treason and traitors can we use that would truthfully reflect our history of military takeovers? Should we include guns, handcuffs, truncheons, and other implements used to suppress the people, physically abuse them and deny then their human rights?

Now Prime Minister Bainimarama and his government intend to deny our citizens the right to have a say in whether or not our much loved flag should be changed. He and Mr Khaiyum must learn to exercise their authority in a genuinely inclusive, transparent and accountable manner. Otherwise we will continue to live in a fake democracy.

First they need to unify the people, and then they must get serious about democratic principles, transparency and accountability.

Authorized By                                      
Ratu Isoa Tikoca                                                
February 4th 2015
Opposition Whip


"This government still attaches our Indo Fijian community to colonial  history. The preamble describes Indians as descendants of indentured labourers from British India. What nonsense.This is insulting. India was a British Colony, So was Fiji and many other countries under the rule of the British Empire. Therefore the preamble basically describes Indo-Fijians as British Indians! If anything has to be changed, then it is the preamble that is injurious to the Indo-Fijian community because it is reminder of our Girmit and not the choice of our forefathers who chose to make Fiji their only home after completion of the indenture period in 1916." NFP Statement

32 Comments
And
4/2/2015 01:39:51 am

And the new flag in the new Fiji build by the Bainimarama military dictatorship should be in the green and red Fiji military colours with a dakai in the centre!

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English too - Must go.
4/2/2015 02:24:14 am

Perhaps the most enduring remnants of our Colonial past is the English Language itself - which we MUST immediately STOP using because it reminds us of our Colonial past.

Next we must also disown Christianity - for it is a foreign Religion introduced by the Colonial missionaries.

Lastly and surely we MUST also get rid of all the Indians who were introduced to our country by our former Colonial Masters.

So there the long promised ‘Clean-Up’ has eventually, just started.

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And
4/2/2015 12:43:30 pm

And don't forget the Fijians new adopted religion - RUGBY! That too must go. See the way the Taliban put a stop on all things considered Western...

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English too -Must go
5/2/2015 05:01:26 pm

Blatant idiotic sarcasm won't do!

The English language, the Christian missionaries and the Indians were all introduced to Fiji for their (British) benefit.

Through our hard work and resilience we have turned the table around.

If the Indians left Fiji, you guys would start getting each other's throats big time !!

Why don't you get this into your thick head.

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The Thick Head is Yours
6/2/2015 12:26:31 am

So why be a English speaking Christian Fijian and having to tolerate Indian nuisances ? - Letz truly liberate ourselves of all the remnants of the British. Why be choozy Boss ?"

Reposted
4/2/2015 02:36:07 am

CHOR DICTATOR
17/05/2014 1:09pm

Well captioned - "Hitching a ride on Stolen Property". The proposed Fiji Thief's Party has no symbols and yet it is totally 'bastardizing' our national emblem and flag.

Fiji proudly attained that Flag at its 'Independence' from GB and which signifies its FREEDOM. - But what irony to see an oppressive and a CHOR DICTATOR misusing such sacred symbols.

Reposted Comment: fijileaks.com/home/gazette-proof-aiyaz-khaiyum-and-frank-bainimarama-stole-the-party-name-fiji-first-party-from-anit-singh-and-others

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Mahen
4/2/2015 04:03:08 am

Flag Debate: Should we welcome the ripping up of British symbols in the Fijian flag to PUNISH the British for standing aside and allowing the Rabuka dictatorship to oppressIndians for eight long years?
Yes 4 foot nothing Victor-

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Aziz
4/2/2015 05:39:05 am

The national flag should not be changed without a proper referendum. Fiji's pre- colonial flag of Tui- Viti may become a national standard. It's up to the Fijian nation to decide on its own destiny as a sovereign nation state. Canada changed its colonial flag ages ago and remains a respected member of the Commonweath. Fiji can do the same.

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Yep
4/2/2015 12:48:19 pm

Yep the Fiji nation should decide but the reality is that Fiji is still the dictatorship it was after the 2006 coup. The democracy thing is just for show so that the thugs in power can go to the Commonwealth Meeting and that sort of thing...

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Cowardly Act
4/2/2015 11:24:31 am

British High Commissioner claims to Jacquee Speight Fiji Flag issue is matter for Fijian Govt and Fijian people.

Why did British Parliament / Queen cowardly dump Fijian Govt and Fijian people after 1987 coup as role of Governor General was that of Queens representative?

When Queens representative chose to side with coup plotters, it was the British Parliament who should have recommended to Queen to expel the Governor General and appoint another Governor General nominated by British Parliament so to retake the country back from the terrorists headed by mutineer Rabuka. David Lange and NZ Govt was very ready and offered to take that role.

Suddenly after British dropped their pants to Rabuka are now saying these are all Fiji Govt's issues when Fiji Govt had remained under British Parliament / Queen and all precedent cases still using British case laws and not case laws from within Fiji post Fiji becoming republic.

Once a very large British Empire abondoned its own army under independent Fiji to a mutineer. Where mutiny under old British law is a serious crime, they were too coward to apply law but instead went on to reward the mutineer and same goes for supporting the politically incorrect and illegal parliament Fiji has today.

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And
4/2/2015 12:52:32 pm

And Fiji is nothing compared to the other British phuck ups in history on account of which people are still suffering and dying to this day!

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MAKEfjdENTERpoliticsORcoup
4/2/2015 12:14:15 pm

Its about time Fiji stand on its own legs.

The British only for their own benefit, stealing top jobs, some still sitting there and taking the dough home with no care to Fiji.

This should have happened long time ago.

Good job PM.

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Waiting
4/2/2015 09:23:05 pm

Please explain what top jobs are taken by British citizens.

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John Christian Ambion
4/2/2015 05:36:13 pm

Mr. PM, if you want democracy, STOP REMOVING THE UNION JACK FROM THE FIJI FLAG!

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Quite Right
4/2/2015 11:52:54 pm

Yes, Democracy too is an influence from the British.

A very known FACT about our poor Ratu Vorere is that he can't THINK. He is a total Coce. Vorere is influence by the RACIST and Idiot and Thief Aiyaz.

Aiyaz hates British educated Lawyers.

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Isa Viti
4/2/2015 11:49:56 pm

If the Union Jack is removed, than also remove the Trouping the colour, the 21 gun salute, the last post, the salute and the whole parade and let the Admiral, the General, the Brigadier design something Fiji made to use (vakamadua).

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FREE FIJI
5/2/2015 12:11:28 am

Change the flag......change the PM and his cabinet and send Khaiyum and his family to the boko harams.

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Mindset
5/2/2015 01:40:10 am

It is astonishing to comprehend the mindset of those opposing a new flag for Fiji.

Wasn't there a free and democratically-held general elections held not too long ago which gave the mandate to PM Bainimarama to set the agenda for a new Fiji. A new Fiji flag is part of that agenda.

The treasonist Rabuka had put paid to all things British in Fiji in 1987, and constitutional links with Britain was severed when he declared that Fiji become a republic.

No republic in the world, and in the Commonwealth, continues to bear the symbols of their former colonial imperialist masters.

The British are not the least bit bothered about 'their Union Jack' being replaced.

Further, the Union Jack was the flag of the slave drivers under which the Girmitya's/indentured labourers endured untold suffering growing sugar-cane for their (British) benefit.

The I-Taukei also endured hardships under British rule. In some instance's whole village's were relocated from their original sites for colonial ownership.

As for the NFP, shame on them for ignoring these harsh truth's about Fiji's history.

A new flag for Fiji would finally emancipate the country from a form (British symbols on the flag) of mental slavery we've had to live under, since the British took control of Fiji's affairs way back in the day.


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Nope
6/2/2015 07:29:38 pm

Nope, a "free" and "democratic" election was not held in Fiji. The Dictatorship stage managed an election to give itself a democratic cloak .Only the politically naive and the regime lackeys believe Fiji had a truly democratic election. And of course the international partners endorsed the elections to serve its own agenda of returning to business as usual.

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yep
7/2/2015 02:57:49 am

Mindset if your mind is suffering from "mental slavery" on account of the Fiji flag having the Union Jack in it then you should see a mental health specialist to help sort you out. The problem in Fiji since the peaceful end of colonial rule is not the Union Jack in its flag. It is the military and thug politicians and their hangers on who have shown contemptuous disregard and disrespect for the norms of democratic governance. The flag "issue" is a fictitious one designed to divert public attention from the real issues in the country like the rampant corruption and the perversion of the rule of law in the country and the fact that thugs still run the country.

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Rajend Naidu
5/2/2015 03:29:46 pm

Editor,
One day I read in the news that FIJI's dictator turned democratic PM Rear Admiral (Ret) Frank Bainimarama proclaiming to the world that Fiji needs a new flag that " should reflect Fiji's position in the world today as a modern nation state" ( ' Fiji to remove Union Jack from flag" The Telegraph 3/02).
The next day I read in the Fiji Times that school children have to wade across a river to get to school because there is no bridge (' 20-year wait for bridge' FT 4/02).
Can the people of Fiji debate on why a bridge has not been built?
What happened to the peoples' request for a bridge over the years?
What happens to all the foreign aid money Fiji gets?
Why hasn't this pressing community need been given the priority it deserves?
Sincerely,
Rajend Naidu
Sydney

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Mindset
5/2/2015 05:01:38 pm

You are extraordinarily quick to include a response to the flag issue from Rajend Naidu, I guess on the basis that he wrote an anti-Bainimarama letter to you.

Wonder what has happened to my reply written on the issue yesterday 05/02/2015, supporting Bainimarara's decision to change Fiji's flag.

Or you still pondering as to whether my letter is yet to be approved in view of the above.

Awaiting your reply!

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Mindset
5/2/2015 06:31:47 pm

Thank you for including my reply.

Yep
7/2/2015 07:51:39 pm

Yep Mindupset is right. After the Union Jack is removed from the Fiji flag all the Fijian people will live happy ever after in peace and harmony and prosperity. There will be NO MORE poverty, crime, racism and military fascism. Even the bubus in the village who still have the framed photo of the Queen and Prince Philip hanging on their thatched walls will be so proud once the Union Jack is removed. I am sure in its place they would love to hang a photo of Aiyaz Sayed Khaiyum - the architect of the "new Fiji".

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Moo ga bay
8/2/2015 02:10:29 pm

The new Fiji flag should have a green background with a bunch of all kinds of local bananas at the centre to symbolise our status as a banana republic.

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So
8/2/2015 07:48:59 pm

So the pretend democracy in Fiji has decided there should be a new flag for the country minus the UnionJack.
I suggest the new flag should be tapa- Masi design like on the Fiji planes for background with Bainimarama on one side eating cone ice-cream and Khaiyum on the other side having a vuudi.

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LOL
11/2/2015 08:49:31 pm

if it wasnt for the union jack..fiji wouldnt be independant by itself.
also the fiji flag is a history by itself...

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Lorenzo
12/2/2015 01:53:46 pm

Mr. PM, why change the flag? Most who were born in Fiji after 1970 grew up with that Fiji Flag designed by Mrs Mckenzie. We dorn the blue Fiji Flag colours to the world in our Powerlifting international Games. Tommorrow if we compete in an international match with a different flag, what will our children of tommorrow ask??

"Hey Pops, which country did you represent in Powerlifting with that blue flag??"

Just Leave the Flag alone and focus on moving our country forward like you visioned. That was the main reason why I voted for you.

Now with this flag change? sorry to say but I totally dis-agree.

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Donato Labalaba link
17/3/2015 04:44:07 am

Fiji gain independence through smooth transition not a revolt which will require a flag without the British Union Jack. True democracy will honor her past but to change the flag without proper consultation is force of the New World Order written in the book the "Keys of this blood" by Malachi Martin a former Jesuit. Our nation is moving in that direction of the 666.

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nbc lover
14/9/2015 01:24:47 am

if the PM look into this matter seriously ..i considered that the flag does not have to be change due the facts that most people are associated themselves in..

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Taniela Balei*
14/9/2015 07:18:30 pm

I agree with you. Nonetheless I suggest that we could use our alternative historical flag, Cakobau's flag. It is actually a "variant" of our flag on wikipedia's page. I even think that the SCF is a better alternative, much cheaper to produce and much more appropriate for a flag. Someone passed me this amazing proposal and I think that our people would love it if they took some time to understand its meaning: https://www.facebook.com/A-New-Flag-for-Fiji-1117120371648599/timeline/?ref=ts

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secret in plain sight
24/7/2016 03:58:10 am

Change of flag is from the Vatican, read Keys of this Blood by a Jesuit priest. Fiji's archbishop and the pope are Jesuits as well.

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