"President is the Puppet and Bainimarama is the Puppet Master" - the Former Fiji Court of Appeal judge Ian Lloyd, now defending T. F. Jan Construction owner ; Lloyd was commenting on Constitution abrogation!

7/5/2015

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BANNING ORDER? Professor Brij Lal was banned from Fiji for calling for Democracy in Fiji and yet Ian Lloyd who called Bainimarama 'Puppet Master' is roaming the corridors of Fiji's court house!

Ian Lloyd was one of three Fiji Appeal Court judges who had ruled that the 2006 coup was illegal. The President and Bainimarama, while abrograting the 1997 Constitution, had claimed that the FCA decision had left the country with a leadership vacuum.
The then Justice Lloyd had told Radio Australia's Pacific Beat the events that followed the dumping of the Constitution were of the military's own making: "This is misinformation, quite malicious misinformation, that Bainimarama and the President have spread to enable them to abrogate the constitution and run the country as a military regime, a dictatorship that they want...We obviously anticipated that there might be problems - I don't think any of us anticipated that Bainimarama would take the judgement well, and I don't think the ramifications were out of our minds. But I don't think we quite thought that Bainimarama would go to this extreme...I don't think any of us thought things would go that far, and certainly go that far that quickly that the country would suddenly be overtaken by an illegal military regime." Lloyd had said it was clear to him that Bainimarama was behind the president's actions. "One can only assume that from the pace of what has occurred in the past few days, the president simply, from my observation, would not have been the one that was making these decisions...Clearly he would have been acting on advice, and the advice could only have come from Bainimarama. I don't think one can say other than sensibly - he is the puppet and Bainimarama is the puppet master."

Ian Lloyd QC, Randall Powell SC and Francis Douglas QC in Fiji's Court of Appeal. [ABC TV] (Credit: ABC)

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Is Ian Lloyd QC correct or was his comments malicious?

7/5/2015 02:30:45 pm

Christopher Pryde attended the Court of Appeal for the 3rd Defendent "The State" thus for the President and for 4th Respondent the Attorney General of the Interim Regime.

Notwithstanding it was New Zealander Solicitor General who was the lawful advisor to the President and to the Attorney General.

While the judgement in effect left Bainimarama and RFMF out of parliamentary or rather Interim Cabinet.

And so did the position of regimes AG become vacant as his office represented The President and whose position as advisor to the interim regime and to the President become vacant arising out of judgement.

Whilse RFMF advised its Commander they will abide by the judgement, ONLY lawful channel of advice or only authority to advice the President (The State) was the lawful office of the Solicitor General (Christoper Pride).

Even if there was a stsnding instruction from Bainimarama to abbrogate the constitution, as Solicitor General Christoper Pride must have been aware he was no longer taking ANY FURTHER UNLAWFUL instructions from those who were made ineffective by their office becoming VACANT.

Christoper Pride being the remaining direct advisor to the President could not possibly take ANY further instructions from the VACANT PM and VACANT AG's Office.

Therefore it was role of Christoper Pride that fell within the line of advice to the President that led to abbrogating the 1997 Constitution.

And since he was the attorney who had represented the "State", let's be clear it is more likely his ABUSE OF OFFICE aided and abetted the President to purportedly abbrogate the unabbrogadeable Constitution.

Then he went on to sit as DPP so to stop ALL cases filed against the Regime BUT really out there to SAVE his own A...S.

And if Christoper Pride [who was appointed by the regime] did take instructions from Bainimarama and Khaiyum, then it remains he indeed took UNLAWFUL instruction and therefore his advise to the President was INVALID and so all laws since remains invalid laws.

As such 1997 Constitution abbrogation remains INVALID and Christoper Pride is the only person who can be identified as the lawful authority to having his neck on line. Not RFMF, and not Bainimarama as their role in cabinet had become vacant as POWER was in the hands of the President, not RFMF.

Where are Constitution and Criminal Law experts to respond to this or are they putting their income ahead of their opinion in this new purported democracy???...!!!

Lets put Fiji 1st...!!!

Whatta Wacko !

7/5/2015 03:14:06 pm

Despite knowing the “ramifications”, the three wise men of Australia went ahead and made such a mis-judgment and a total mess of our country.

Their judgment, in total contempt of the three, remained unheeded (shame) and triggered a purported abrogation of the Peoples’ 1997 Constitution, by a puppet President.

The three Aussie wise-men are, therefore, as treasonous as the lot who ill-advised the puppet President to act unconstitutionally.

It is common legal knowledge, philosophy and a legacy (and has been for a long time) that the 1997 Constitution is a un-abrogate-able document. The authority is from none other than the current CJ’s – supported and endorsed by the three wise-men themselves.

Now one of the three wise men, Ian Lloyd goes on to showcase to the world his waywardness and his shallow legal, moral and philosophical fiber, by being servile to a pretender 2013 Constitution which was ‘composed and imposed’ onto our People by a world-famous Intellectual Property Thief – and whose only power to do so flowed from the barrel of the gun.

Bravo Ian for becoming a legal laughing stock – and what an age to become one. We wish your client good-luck for hiring himself a wacko.

Give commentarors some credit Fijileaks

7/5/2015 03:15:18 pm

Fijileaks did not have the balls to know that this is the same Llyod
who gave the judgment that the Bainimarama administration was unlawful.

Try to be fair to others as well Victor Lal.

Whar You Talking About

7/5/2015 03:36:02 pm

Give commentators some credit

Read the headline:

Ian Lloyd was one of three Fiji Appeal Court judges who had ruled that the 2006 coup was illegal.

So what you taking about?

Hicky Hick-up!

7/5/2015 03:47:48 pm

And where the hell has Hicky disappeared to?

Governing Laws of Court Judges

7/5/2015 04:04:44 pm

President of Court of Appeal is required to make rules of Court in accordance with the 1997 Constitution in order to hear cases.

It would be interesting to see what QC Lloyd comes up with in terms of his defense or will he become another pupplet of the illegal constitution.

Will he show some light on the illegality and invalidity of the current laws in favour of rules of court to be remaining within the rules outlined in 1997 Constitution as the unabrogadeable law for the basis under which Judges are to hear cases.

And the Wise-men said...

7/5/2015 04:50:32 pm

It was QC Lloyd who went on to deny the defendents "right to appeal" without right to remain in office subject to the judgment.

When Chandrika Prasad case was appealed the Qarase's regime remained in office.

So really the malicious judgment by QC Lloyd and his Aussie wise-men denying appeal was because it was Aussie who had their boat in Fiji waters, and they were stooges of their masters.

The worse that should have happened was for Christoper Pride to advice President that his Interim Government was deemed non-existent resulting from the Court of Appeal Judgement.

In that case there is no need to seek dissolve in interim cabinet.

The president then was able to make fresh appointment of fresh Interim Cabinet, and in that it did not stop him from reappointing Bainimarama as PM in the event that there was no longer a government in office.

When such situation arises, it is RFMF that was Final Bastian of Law under the 1997 Constitution, so Bainimarama to be reappointed to pursue and proceed with the rest of the rulings of the Court of Appeal remained the most appropriate choice.

So it is the three Aussie wise-men and one Kiwi wise-men responsible for the entire mess of Fiji's laws that followed.

And we think they are intelligent and law abiding citizens...but not!!!

Put Fiji 1st...!!

Simple solutions but complicated outcome.

7/5/2015 05:42:01 pm

...and with that re-appointment as PM, Bainimarama was then able to also pursue an appeal to judgement in Supreme Court of QC Lloyd's Court of Appeal Judgment.

Well he was/is surrounded by idiots as his advisors...

Oh Yes

7/5/2015 11:34:17 pm

When Qarase lost Court of Appeal judgement in Chandrika Prasad case, indeed he was "reappointed" to continue as caretaker PM.

Then Bainimarama could have done so too rather then abbrogate the constitution.

Chiku

7/5/2015 05:50:05 pm

When a Bainimarama regime apologist like Professor CroziWalsh is moved to say what the post election political leadership in Fiji is doing re the ban on the Lals is contrary to the spirit of academic and intellectual freedom and indeed of democracy that speaks volumn about the so called restoration of democracy in Fiji.

Dekho

9/5/2015 06:17:11 pm

Professor CroziWalsh tells us belated the Bainimarama government does not understand what makes good academic tick.
The Bainimarama government understands only the language of propaganda and intimidation: the language of a dictatorship.
It's claim to be committed to "true democracy" is a spurious one.
It has one genuine commitment : to cling to power.

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"President is the Puppet and Bainimarama is the Puppet Master" - the Former Fiji Court of Appeal judge Ian Lloyd, now defending T. F. Jan Construction owner ; Lloyd was commenting on Constitution abrogation!

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